Tributes after death of former Oldham & Werneth player and referee Dave Scholes

England Lacrosse is deeply saddened to hear of the passing of former Oldham and Werneth Lacrosse Club player, referee, and referee trainer, Dave Scholes.

Peter McGinnety, who knew Dave, also known as Biffo, through their joint association with officiating, has written the following tribute to his friend.

“I first met Biffo when he was the home official at Oldham and Werneth Lacrosse Club, in the days when games were officiated by one panel referee and one home referee.

“One memorable occasion, when we worked together, was a game when Oldham travelled to Morethorpe. As the Yorkshire side had no referee, David volunteered to help out (he always had his kit ready in the car!).

“Both teams had a reputation for being hot headed and, as the game progressed, this attitude resulted in several players from each team, including both captains, being "fouled out" - having collected too many personal fouls. Just into the fourth quarter, a further incident occurred leading to a mass brawl, soon joined by those previously fouled out.

“The rookie Biffo wanted to throw himself into the melee; I held him back as helmets, gloves and sticks flew in all directions. As things died down, I blew my whistle and declared that the game would not continue.

“The players showered and changed and met up at the Morethorpe watering hole, where the only fighting was to buy each other beer! The Morethorpe captain pleaded, "thaas not going to report us is thee"?

“Both teams were reported to the disciplinary committee and were fined £25 each. Biffo, as well as being  prosecution witness, was also Oldham's treasurer, so he paid the fine. I often wonder whether he was reimbursed.

“David went on to join the referees’ panel and progressed through the levels of officiating, eventually gaining his treasured blue International Badge.

“His encyclopaedic knowledge of the rules, which extended to not only knowing the rule number but even the page number where it could be found in the rule book, made him an obvious candidate to become the Referees' Association Training Officer, a role he fulfilled for many years.

“Many of today’s top officials started their careers by attending David's courses.

“David himself represented England at World Championships in Japan (1996) and Australia (1999) and travelled with England to referee in the prestigious Field of Dreams Tournament in the USA.

“It is sad to hear of David’s passing but he will live on because most referees have a Biffo story to recount.

“Thank you David for your service to our beautiful game.  Our thoughts are with your family.”

England Lacrosse would like to echo the words of Peter and thank Dave for his service to the game we all love over the years and extend our condolences to Dave’s family at this difficult time.

Dave’s wife, Christine, has requested that people raise a glass and drink to Dave on the Friday 29 July, the date of his funeral.

Great Britain women finish fourth at The World Games after Australia defeat

The British Women’s Lacrosse Team joined the men’s team in finishing fourth at The World Games after an agonising 7-13 defeat to Australia in the bronze medal game on Sunday.

It was always going to be a tough task for Great Britain to make the medal table after 10 of their 12 players were involved in a gruelling Women’s World Championship campaign that only finished three days before the start of the women’s lacrosse competition at The World Games.

At that tournament, England took home the bronze medal in dramatic fashion with an over-time goal securing victory against Australia and it was these same opponents Britain were to meet in The World Games bronze medal game.

It proved tough from the out-set for the British team as they found themselves 3-1 down at the end of the first quarter and 6-2 down at the half.

But Britain seemed to grow into the game and looked a lot sharper in the second half, but it was too little too late and, despite their best efforts, they fell to Australia who took home the bronze medal.

It was a tough five days for the British Women’s Lacrosse Team but a period that certainly won’t be forgotten in a hurry as sixes lacrosse made its debut at The World Games.

For Britain, it all started with a difficult opening match against reigning silver medalists, Canada, who had just come off the back of a narrow defeat to the USA at the Women’s World Championship, a game in which 10 of their 12-player squad were involved.

They boasted names such as Dana Dobbie and Aurora Cordingley but it was Britain who excelled in large parts of the game, pushing the lacrosse heavyweights all the way.

Four goals from Iona Dryden and one for each of Claire Faram, Laura Merrifield, Tilly Foster, Laura Warren, and Emma Oakley saw this impressive British team 9-7 up in the third quarter and all square at 9-9 heading into the fourth.

But, it wasn’t to be as Canada showed their ruthlessness by shutting Britain out in the final quarter and goals from Cordingley (2), Nicole Perroni, Megan Kinna, Annabel Child, Erica Evans, and Dobbie ensured a 16-9 victory.

Great Britain’s second pool game was another challenging prospect against the Haudenosaunee Confederacy and so it proved with Britain eventually finding themselves 9-6 down with just under four minutes to go in the match.

The team managed to rally, however, and turned the game on its head with goals from Merrifield, Liv Wimpenny (2), and Chess Gray seeing Great Britain one goal ahead at 10-9.

But with just one second left on the clock, the Haudenosaunee worked the ball into a great position where Ivy Santana slotted home from close range to take the game into over-time.

Cue a cagey four-minute period of golden goal over-time in which neither side looked confident enough to commit fully to an attack.

But in such moments, the best players always step up and with one minute, twenty seconds remaining in the over-time period, Merrifield, who has so often helped England through many a tight game over the years, came up with the goods for Britain, weaving through the Haudenosaunee defence and scoring inches away from the crease.

Britain took on their third and final pool stage opponents, Israel, knowing that a victory would secure a place in the semi-finals and a match-up with the USA and they seemed determined to make that happen from the start in a first quarter that saw them score four goals without reply and head into the second 5-2 up.

Israel returned to the field for the second quarter a different team, successfully slowing Britain down, and eventually pulling the score level at 9-9 by the end of the third quarter.

After the experience of over-time in their previous match, Britain were looking to wrap up a victory in normal time and big goals from Oakley (2), Warren, Jenni Aiton, and Gray sealed a close 14-12 win.

Two wins and a loss in the pool stage put the British Women’s Lacrosse Team in good stead for the semi-final but playing the USA is never easy.

And in a demonstration of the strength in depth that the USA have at their disposal, none of their 12 players had been in Towson, Maryland for the Women’s World Championship.

They were able to reduce Britain to very little in front of goal throughout the whole game and even the vast experience of Merrifield and Faram in the attack wasn’t enough to see their team score more than five goals.

Six goals from Ellie Masera and hat-tricks from Kasey Choma and Madison Adhern ensured the USA came out on top in each quarter and secured a 21-5 victory.

USA went on to lose out on the gold medal to close rivals Canada who won their first The World Games title with a tight 14-12 win.

Britain then played out their bronze medal game against Australia who proved too strong and a blistering performance from Thea Kwas, who scored five, coupled with a hat-trick from Georgie Latch gave their team a 13-7 win.

Results

GB 9 - 16 Canada | Pool Game 1
Scorers: Dryden (3), Faram, Foster, Oakley, Merrifield, Warren

GB 11 - 10 (OT) Haudenosaunee Confederacy | Pool Game 2
Scorers: Oakley, Wimpenny (5), Faram, Dryden, Merrifield (2), Gray

GB 14 - 12 Israel | Pool Game 3
Scorers: Merrifield (3), Faram, Oakley (4), Aiton (2), Gray (2), Warren (2)

GB 5 - 21 USA | Semi-Final
Scorers: Dryden, Faram (2), Merrifield, Wimpenny

GB 7 - 13 Australia | Bronze Medal Game
Scorers: Merrifield (2), Faram (2), Oakley, Wimpenny, Aiton

Great Britain Top Scorers

Laura Merrifield | 9
Claire Faram | 7
Emma Oakley | 7
Liv Wimpenny | 7
Iona Dryden | 5

Great Britain men earn fourth spot at The World Games

The British Men’s Lacrosse Team had to settle for fourth spot at The World Games 2022 as they succumbed to an agonising 18-19 over-time defeat to Japan in the bronze medal game on Wednesday morning.

This year’s edition of The World Games has seen World Lacrosse Sixes make its debut on the global stage and men’s lacrosse included for the first time and the British boys were unlucky not to leave Birmingham, Alabama with a bronze medal around their necks.

An incredible performance from Lyndon Bunio that saw him score eight of Britains’s 18 goals against Japan helped to claw his team from 10-6 down in the second quarter to 17-16 in the fourth.

A goal from Alex Russell and one from Ryan Hunns just 33 seconds before the end of the game then helped to push Britain into golden goal over-time.

But it wasn’t to be for this hard-working British side in 2022 as, at the halfway point of the first period of over-time, Japan’s Kabuki Obana scored his fourth of the game to earn his side the third spot and the bronze medal.

Overall, the British Men’s Lacrosse Team will look back on this campaign positively as they began with a very impressive win over Australia in their opening match.

It was a tough game to start the competition but, in many ways, the perfect preparation for the games to come and, despite being 7-4 down mid-way through the third quarter, Britain rallied and with the help from a hat-trick each from Bunio and Ben Page-Laycock, they won 13-11.

Next up, an even tougher test against the USA who had already brushed aside Germany 27-10 in their opening fixture.

A brilliant first few minutes saw Britain go 1-0 up through Ryan Hunns and they capped off a faultless first half with a Bunio goal seeing them go in 4-4 at the half.

USA were able to come out for the second half and show why they are such a dominant lacrosse force and five goals from Ryan Conrad helped his team to an eventual 17-9 victory.

The games were coming thick and fast for Britain and their third and final pool stage game saw them take on European rivals, Germany, knowing that a win would ensure a spot in the semi-finals.

This match-up was perhaps the most straightforward of Britain’s five games at The World Games 2022 with the team coming out on top in each of the four quarters, including an emphatic 7-2 third quarter.

Four goals each from Alex Russell and the ever-reliable Bunio, as well as hat-tricks from Ryan Sweetman, Zac Guy, and Page-Laycock helped Britain reach the semi-finals with a 22-10 victory.

Now, the really tricky part: a semi-final against a formidable Canada side who had already made light of Haudenosaunee Confederacy, Japan, and Israel in Pool B, scoring 73 goals and conceding just 26.

They hadn’t lost a single quarter on their way to the semis and the most they’d shipped in a quarter was five goals.

Unfortunately for the British Men’s Lacrosse Team, Canada were determined to keep this run going and, despite a valiant effort, and goals from eight different scorers, Britain were unable to overcome the team from North America, eventually losing 11-22, setting up a mouth-watering bronze medal tie against Japan who were beaten by USA 17-12 in the other semi-final.

And Great Britain v Japan proved to be one of the games of the tournament (some would say even better than the final which saw Canada hammer USA 23-9) with both teams unable to be separated after four quarters and 32 minutes of fast-paced, relentless sixes lacrosse.

Lacrosse, especially sixes lacrosse, can be brutal and that’s how it proved in the end for Britain’s men as they fell to an over-time goal from Japan to finish fourth at the inaugural lacrosse competition at The World Games.

Attention now turns to the women’s competition as the Great Britain Women’s Team take on Haudenosaunee Confederacy and Israel in Pool B.

Last night, Britain were defeated 16-9 in their opening game of the tournament against Canada.

All Britain’s games can be watched on Olympic TV for free HERE.

Results

GB 13 - 11 Australia | Pool Game 1
Scorers: Pomfret (2), Russell (2), Page-Laycock (3), Bunio (3), Hunns, Sweetman, Bracegirdle

GB 9 - 17 USA | Pool Game 2
Scorers: Page-Laycock (2), Hunns (2), Bunio (2), Pomfret (2), Sweetman

GB 22 - 10 Germany | Pool Game 3
Scorers: Bunio (4), Bracegirdle (2), Sweetman (3), Kirkland, Guy (3), Page-Laycock (3), Russell (4), Hunns, Pomfret

GB 11 - 22 Canada | Semi-Final
Scorers: Page-Laycock, Bunio (2), Hunns, Russell, Sweetman (2), Pomfret, Mills (2), Kirkland

GB 18 - 19 (OT) Japan | Bronze Medal Game
Scorers: Sweetman, Kirkland, Russell (3), Page-Laycock, Bunio (8), Hunns (2), Bracegirdle, Pomfret

Great Britain Top Scorers

Lyndon Bunio | 19
Ben Page-Laycock | 10
Alex Russell | 10
Ryan Sweetman | 8
Ryan Hunns | 7
Mike Pomfret | 7

England drawn in top pool at 2022 Men's U21 World Championship

England have been drawn in the top Pool A containing some of the best teams in the world at the 2022 World Lacrosse Men’s U21 World Championship following the release of the full schedule last month.

Ryan Garnworthy’s boys, who are seeded fifth after finishing in that position at the 2016 U19 Men’s World Lacrosse Championship, will open their campaign against the Haudenosaunee Confederacy on the first day of the competition (10 August) before the opening ceremony takes place.

This is followed by pool games against the USA (11 August), Australia (13 August), and Canada (14 August) before the knockout stages begin on 16 August.

The 2022 U21 World Championship is being staged in Limerick, Ireland and will be the first major competition for this squad since they won the 2019 U20 European Men’s Lacrosse Championship, defeating Germany 9-8 in a tight final.

Indeed, it is likely to be some of the first international lacrosse many of the England team will have played since 2020 and the start of the coronavirus pandemic which forced the tournament to be postponed twice and increase its age limit from U19 to U21.

A total of 23 teams are competing in this year’s competition making it the largest ever age group World Championship staged by the world governing body, World Lacrosse.

The other teams include Home Nations, Wales and Ireland, as well as the likes of Jamaica, Uganda, Germany, and Hong Kong.

England Schedule

10 August | Haudenosaunee Confederacy (13:00, Field 2)

11 August | USA (16:00, Field 1)

13 August | Australia (16:00, Field 1)

14 August | Canada (19:00, Field 1)

16 August | Play-in Games

17 August | Quarter-Finals

18 August | Semi-Finals

20 August | Final/3rd Place Game

England to play Home Nations rivals at 2022 European Box Lacrosse Championship

England are set to play two Home Nations’ sides at the 2022 European Box Lacrosse Championship in Hannover, Germany after the full schedule for this month’s tournament was released.

England have been drawn in Pool D and will begin their European Championship journey by playing close rivals Scotland on the opening day of the competition before taking on Ireland two days later in what will be a repeat of the fifth place game at the 2017 European Box Lacrosse Championship.

On that day, England came out on top, eventually defeating the team from across the English Channel 17-12 in a game that even saw England goalkeeper, Eliot Pugh, get his name on the scoresheet!

Six players remain from that Championship squad (Eliot Pugh, Matt Marsh, Will Walker, Pete Wilson, Albert Whitehead, and captain Tom Roche) and England will be looking to go at least one step further this year by reaching the third place game.

Which is exactly what they did three years ago at the 2019 World Indoor Lacrosse Championship when they pushed an extremely talented USA team all the way in the bronze medal match, eventually finishing fourth.

Head Coach, Walt Christianson recently unveiled his 23-player squad to travel to the European Championship where 14 teams will be competing for the trophy, including holders and inaugural winners, Israel, as well as runners-up from 2017, Czech Republic, and 2017 bronze medallists, Finland.

To view the schedule in full or to find out more about the European Championship, click HERE.

England Schedule (All times BST)

30 July | Scotland (08:30, Arena 1)

1 August | Ireland (15:30, Arena 1)

2 August | Play-in Game (09:30 or 15:15 or 18:30)

3 August | Quarter-Final (08:30 or 12:30)

4 August | Semi-Final (11:30 or 15:30)

6 August | 5th Place Game (12:30)/3rd Place Game (15:30)/Final (18:30)

England miss out on World Championship final with close defeat to Canada

England Women will contest the Bronze Medal play-off after going down 9-11 to Canada in the Women’s World Championship semi-final.

A hat-trick from Georgie Southorn led the English scoring supported by a strong defensive effort in a whistle-heavy game that was nip-and-tuck for long periods.

After finding themselves four goals down with 8:51 to go England rallied, but it wasn’t enough to overturn Canada’s lead, who will advance to the Gold Medal match against USA.

England started the brighter in front of a raucous travelling support and had a number of free position shots but struggled to convert.

Down the other end, Canada had to produce their best to beat Britt Read in goal, an Aurora Cordingley BTB the stand-out as Canada led 3-1 at the ¼ time, Megan Whittle making a free position to get England going.

Both teams were given no inch in defence and it resulted in multiple free position attempts for both teams throughout the game.

Successful 11-metre shots from Olivia Hompe and Ruby Smith got England level, before a solo Erica Evans break and a Madalyn Baxter FP again gave Canada a two-goal lead at the half, 3-5.

England tried to close things up a number of times but each time the deficit was cut, Canada responded with goals of their own.

The teams traded goals, Canada with three FP shots and England with two efforts from Southorn as Canada stretched the lead to three going into the final 15 minutes.

England outshot Canada 20-18, with eight shots in a frantic final quarter in which they pushed the game hard and nearly got the rewards.

Laura Merrifield scored a beauty to kick off the 4th driving to goal line extended, before switch-stepping back inside, changing hands and planting it home to make it 6-8.

But another two from Canada in return looked to have put things out of England’s reach.

However, a final surge in the last five minutes cranked up the atmosphere and once Southorn had completed a brilliant hat-trick and Whittle sunk another free position, England were back within two and in the ascendancy.

The team then missed a couple of chances to go within one and Cordingley gave Canada breathing space once more.

Hompe rounded off the scoring with a smart quick-stick finish but it was too late to effect anything and it was Canadian jubilation on the final whistle.

England will now play Australia at 9.30am EST/2.30pm UK on Saturday 9 July for the Bronze Medal in a repeat of that famous overtime match from 2017.

England Points: Georgie Southorn (3G 1A), Megan Whittle (2G 1A), Olivia Hompe (2G), Laura Merrifield (1G), Ruby Smith (1G)

Less than a month until summer 2022 Triple Arrow Camps begin!

After another successful Easter Triple Arrow Camps schedule earlier this year, England Lacrosse is excited that there’s less than a month to go until the summer 2022 schedule begins!

Throughout July and August, there’s set to be no less than six summer Triple Arrow Camps around the country, including ones at Caterham School, St George’s School, Charterhouse School, St Swithun’s School, Queen Anne’s School, and Abbot’s Hill School.

Triple Arrow Camps are over 25 years old and have been designed to allow girls aged 10 to 16 to play and practice lacrosse in fun, friendly environments where they can be inspired by some of the country’s best coaches, including many current and ex-national team players.

With an inclusive curriculum and specialist coaches working with targeted age groups, each camper will have the opportunity to learn, improve and push themselves to be the best lacrosse player they can be, regardless of their experience or ability level.

For summer 2022, there’s a mixture of two-day clinics and four-day residential camps, giving each camper the choice between a fully immersive Triple Arrow Camps experience and a more flexible day camp experience.

For more information about each camp and what you can expect from a Triple Arrow Camp, click HERE.

Summer 2022 Triple Arrow Camps

Caterham School, Surrey (26 & 27 July)

St George’s School, Harpenden (27 & 28 July)

Charterhouse School, Godalming (2-5 August)

St Swithun’s School, Winchester (8-11 August)

Queen Anne’s School, Caversham (16-19 August)

Abbot’s Hill School, Hertfordshire (23 & 24 August)

Your Sport Your Voice Annual Survey

England Lacrosse is launching its 2022 Your Sport Your Voice survey.

The annual survey is your chance to let us know about your involvement with the game, about things that are going well, and about areas where we can help to improve your experience with the sport.

We’re also asking you, our members, players, coaches, officials and supporters what information you are interested in, how best to keep you up to speed with all the latest news and opportunities for how you can play a larger part in England Lacrosse.

This is the first chance to run the survey following a full season since 2020 and will help us to review people’s experiences of the game post-pandemic.

The survey should take around 10 minutes to complete and responses are anonymous.

England box team defeat All-Star team ahead of European Championship

England’s box lacrosse squad defeated a special All-Star team 11-5 in their final training session before the 2022 European Box Lacrosse Championship in Hannover, Germany.

The game took place at the home of England box lacrosse in the north of England, Skate City in Sheffield, on Saturday 25 June and featured 17 of the final 23-player squad heading out to the Euros in August, including reservist Pete Wilson.

The special All-Star team was made up of selected players including many who have been selected for England box squads in the past, such as Ben Stowe, Will Walker, and Dan Eckersall.

An optional training session with the England squad was offered to the selected All-Star on the Saturday morning before the main event in the evening.

During the match, England were good for the victory, showing their experience, quality, and tactical nous to win the game by a six goal margin and come out on top in three of the four quarters.

Star players for the England team included Ben Page-Laycock and Elliot Leonard who are definitely ones to watch at the European Championship which starts on Saturday 30 July.

You can watch the entire England v All-Stars match over on YouTube HERE.

Final Score: 11-5 (3-0, 3-1, 3-1, 2-3).

England goal-scorers: Leonard 2, Trinh, Buchanan, Jefferies, Watson, Whitehead, Page-Laycock 3.

All-Stars goal-scorers: Harris, Walker, Burke 3.

England

GK

Eliot Pugh

DEF

Will Allsop
Taylor Harrison
Luke Mills
Tom Roche (C)
Matthew Tatton
Ming Trinh
Chris Wainer
Albert Whitehead

ATT

Ben Buchanan
Dave Groves
Caius Jefferies
Elliot Leonard
Ben Page-Laycock
Jamie Powell
Dan Watson
Pete Wilson

All-Star Team

GK

Ben Stowe
Jame Tipple

DEF

Alan Keeley
Danny Hilton
Kieran Garvey
Oli Rogerson
Ben Stothard
Primal Fernando
Kyle Macqueen
Jacob Nichols-Cook
Sam Cooper
Matt Howarth
George Dury

ATT

Seán Keane
Rob Harris
Matt Andruchow
Will Walker
Silas Burke
Will Macdonald
Dan Eckersall
Sam Patterson
Sam Perry
Ollie Allsop

Patience pays off for Wimpenny in World Championship journey

‘Patience is a virtue’ has truly been the motto for England midfielder Liv Wimpenny as she approaches making her Senior World Championship debut 10 years on from her first international appearance.

When the midfielder lines up against Australia on Thursday in England’s World Championship opener, it will represent a decade of hard work and determination that has come since debuting at just 16 years old at the 2012 Euros in Amsterdam and be the reward for maintaining that perseverance to achieve her goals.

The initial rise through international lacrosse was a bit of a whirlwind for Wimpenny, who had only started playing age 11, first at Birkenhead School, and then at Oxton Lacrosse Club, where coaches Alison Dunn and Carina Walsh set her on the path to success at an early age.

 “From the age of 13, they saw something in me and began inviting me to play senior lacrosse, and then regional lacrosse, which just set me on this trajectory, and they were so supportive along the way,” Wimpenny said.

Then in the England Under 19 programme, she was part of a group asked to trial for a C team at Home Internationals, ending up in selection for the B squad, and then catching the eye of the coaches for Euros selection.

 “I got pushed up in to the B squad which wasn’t the plan at all, and then somehow scored six goals in a match against Scotland and off the back of that found myself being selected for the Europeans.”

 “I was thinking, what is going on this isn’t meant to be happening! It was such an incredible experience in Amsterdam, but I definitely wasn’t one of the standouts at that tournament.”

Liv is modest in her reflections of that tournament; she scored 16 goals to help England reclaim a gold medal they hadn’t won since 2003; but it was the experiences she had in Amsterdam that focused the mind already on the future.

“Getting to play alongside players such as Lucy Lynch (England’s record appearance maker), and Laura Merrifield was incredible.

“Watching them and how they played was such a massive learning experience and I saw that that was the player I wanted to become.”

But before then, Liv stepped back down to the Under 19s to get her first taste of a World Championship in 2015 in Edinburgh.

It was a championship full of extreme highs and lows, which after losing in golden goal overtime to both Australia and Canada in pool play, culminated in a brilliant bronze medal against Australia and Wimpenny making the All-Star World team at the end of the tournament.

Wimpenny was named in the 2015 U19 World Championship All-Star Team as England won the bronze medal

“We became such a strong team, we were all playing for each other and we had the fight and determination after coming through so many overtime games.

“Getting that bronze medal meant so much to us, we knew that we could get it and when we eventually beat Australia it felt amazing.”

But Wimpenny would have to wait to return to the big stage after missing out on final selection for both the 2013 and 2017 World Championships.

And that patience was once more put to the test, with this delayed 2022 edition continuing her wait.

“It’s now been seven years since that Under 19s and although we’ve been on tour and done the Europeans, I really can’t wait to get back on that huge world stage against Australia and Canada and the like.”

“It’s been such a long time coming that It’s going to be incredible and I can’t wait to be there alongside everyone.

And Wimpenny senses that the feeling of togetherness she experienced then in 2015, is present again with this World Championship squad.

“We’ve been there for each other over the past five years and it’s made waiting so much easier.

“The training has had the intensity that we’ve needed to keep us going and we’re all such good friends.

“We give each other hard competition and we get feisty out there sometimes but we just love spending time with each other.”

But when Wimpenny finally does cross the line and steps on to the field at a senior World Championship in Towson this week on her 23rd senior cap, it’s all eyes on the prize, and the prize is ultimately a coveted gold medal.

“You’ve got to set your standards to that height,” Wimpenny said.

”The aim is gold and whilst it’s bold as we’ve never got it before, the target is definitely that gold medal match and then we’ll see what happens.”